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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 09/03/2011 11:00:46
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/09/in-isk-we-trust-iskbank-com-exposed-thousand-of-customers-outed/
http://www.evenews24.com/2010/03/09/iskbank-com-client-list/
Interesting stuff...
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 14:20:28
CCP will not do anything about it should the list be real, because it is not one of their logs and even if CCP can match IP addresses with character names may these have come from another source for such a forgery. Unless CCP can look into the bank accounts and see the real money transfer then really anyone can come up with such a list.
Not entirely true as apparently EN had obtained list which got real names of those involved also. However they did not publish that part.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:26:00 -
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Whitehound... you constantly keep saying that anyone can make these lists up. I already pointed earlier that this is not just random list of random game aliases, but list with real names linked to game aliases and emails.
You obviously missed the following parts from the article:
Originally by: part of evenews article
"Eve News24Ęs editorial team engaged in serious debate about the idea of publishing the list of Iskbank.com customer names. We agreed that any and all the personal information in the database (email addresses, phone numbers, et cetera) should not be made public under any circumstances."
Originally by: part of evenews article
"We can assume that CCP was given a copy of the Iskbank.com database by the same person who sent it to us. Even if this wasnĘt the case, when we made our initial request for an interview, we also provided them with the database."
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
I did not miss it, Grey. You missed where I explained that one can get such a list in different ways, i.e. by running your own game forum. You then can collect IP numbers, player names and email addresses if you ask for it in the registration process. Any idea how many corporations and alliances run their own forum and do have this information?
Player names, email addresses yes - real names and phone numbers on bigger scale - unlikely. If something fishy can be found from isk transaction logs, this leaked data together with the logs will be solid enough for accurate actions if ccp chooses to do something.
If we would be talking about single character I would agree that above information could be forged. On big scale however isk source prolly can be traced down to something and if the source links with all characters on the list... you get the picture.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:11:00 -
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Well... we should keep in mind that this current article in EN24 was only the beginning of the entire story.
Originally by: part of EN24 article
Check back for EveNews24Ęs upcoming coverage of the Iskbank.com leak: Iskbank.com customers speak out EveNews24 Exclusive: The Vadim interview CSM6 candidates weigh in Phase 2: The Eveisk.ru dump
Those interviews should be interesting read and dunno what the other database dump has to offer.
I've been on really positive mood after the promising dev replies in the bot thread. Players in community have shown real support for fight against botting and rmt. This leak was unexpected, but really welcome as it raises more discussion and awareness on the topic. It is very likely that many people will see their accounts banhammered at least for some time and their wallets drained to negative balance.
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
If the customers of iskbank.com are not breaking any icelandic laws, the data protection agency is very liekly to rule that CCP can't lawfully use the iskbank database without the consent of iskbank and the iskbank customers.
Give the forum troll some rest already... If CCP wants to launch investigation on some peoples accounts they will do that. If the characters what were pointed in some leaked list are included in that investigation, it is just tough luck for them.
I believe it is safe to say, that most legimate honest eve players in here don't give a crap about some rmt dealers legal rights or some pro rmt posts, which authors desperately try to keep their sinking boat above waterline. We can see thru that propaganda already.
The RMT element is and surely will always be there, but recent events clearly state that the community is fighting back and helping CCP various stuff. No matter what the trolls or rmt/bot lovers in here say, cheaters lives can and will be made much more difficult in the future.
...and I will sue your trolly bum if you quote me without any solid evidence that I've given you written permission to quote my text which was obtained from 5th party leaky eveleaks site by some Icelandic anonymous hacker with iHack portable.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:26:00 -
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Now lets focus on the next part
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/09/iskbank-com-customers-speak-out/ |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Now lets focus on the next part
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/09/iskbank-com-customers-speak-out/
Link corrected.
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/10/iskbank-com-customers-speak-out/
Thanks... it seems they changed the date on that. Fixed from main post now also.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:52:00 -
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Can I have your stuff... you won't do much with them if wallet is 50 trillion on negative side .)
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Niveon
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Massively has now reported on this. Now here comes the outside flames.
Once stuff like this hits the news it becomes big. CCP will be forced to take action.
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/03/10/1712207/In-Isk-We-Trust-the-EVE-Online-IskBank-Exposed
ty... front page updated.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:25:00 -
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...but we can't really blame them. Having red wallet seriously hurts career advancement and may force perfectly healthy spaceship pilot to retire early and become highly respected forum troll.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.11 10:17:00 -
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Ok... now that we we have proven (as pointed by Malcanis), that...
...using this list is fascist thuggery
...using this list is copyright infringement
...using this list is slander
...using this list violates "EU law"
...using this list will promote ISK farming
...using this list will reduce EVE to 10k active accounts
...using this list will make the Russian Mafia enemies of CCP and that the people not on the list are most likely to be the real RMTers!
...not forgetting that every1 want a visit from CCP StevieSG as well...
...and that Whitehound is trying to get Job from CCP which will include violence like kicking, tenderness like licking ...and a butt - which is apparently related to both activities somehow.
We have also seen 20 pages of internet lawyer comedy together with some tasty tears and horrible trolls.
However... I can not put this to words any better than the guy who posted this comment to mmorpg site: link to mmorpg article
10/10 points from that one.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Fulbert
Specified in the new EN24 article. Unconfirmed, of course (like everything painful in that game).
They are being banned every day. So it is easy to say RMT customers are being banned. It is not exactly a lie, it is unconfirmed and just a lot of BS.
It does not mean that everyone on the list is getting banned or that EveNews24 now gets lists from CCP for who is being banned. Some player's subscription may run out and whose name is on this list, but EveNews24 will sell it to you as a ban, because this is what you want to believe the most.
It is all part of EveNews24's press machine in order to ride the attention wave they are receiving until it gets boring or some new sensation can be found and exploited. They do not mean to fight RMTs, they use them to make press. The more the better for them.
How much the RMT wing is paying to you from this propaganda?
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Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.12 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Janis Ezra
they earned ~400.000$ in one year, with just 2 RMT sites, with just some fcking spaceships. I have the wrong job.....
400 dollars per year isn't that great, tbh.
* In Albania, Serbia[citation needed], Bosnia, Estonia, France, Finland, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and much of Latin Europe as well as French Canada: 1 234 567,89 (In Spain, in handwriting it is also common to use an upper comma: 1.234.567'89)[citation needed]
* In Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Slovenia and much of Europe: 1 234 567,89 or 1.234.567,89. In handwriting, 1˙234˙567,89 is also seen, but never in Denmark, the Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden or Slovenia. In Italy, when handwriting, a straight apostrophe is also used: 1'234'567,89.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
... and I wonder how this was related to the topic in 1st place.
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Posted - 2011.03.12 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 12/03/2011 11:13:22
Please waiti - loading RMT supporters brainfunctions...
...memory check - read only mode
...laywer module 0.1beta - active
...upgraded trolling set 2.3c - active
...bs module 12.843final - active
...learning skills 1.0 - not available
...spam module 1.0 - active
Ready for serious internet business.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.12 14:48:00 -
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Ok I give up...
If I would believe everything what is said in here, I prolly should;
1. Deny the existence of CCP and start paying my monthly subscribtion fee directly to certain inviduals posting to this thread.
2. Install 4 damage controls into my spaceship in case CCP exists after all.
3. Do what ever it takes to prove that I was unaware, underage, with insane parents, drunk and forced to do what I _didn't_ do and what others did.
Anyways... in the end this thread is about few scumbags who sold ingame items (including isk) to some inviduals in game, who now have to pay the price of their activities with those rmt elements.
You can have your opinnions about the leak and the source itself, but in the end it is between CCP and the involved parties to decide how they will be handled.
What comes to creditability of the information, I would say that EveNews would be rather doomed if it was forged. It is difficult to see why would they take such big risk, as they surely knew this will blow wide open and spread to most big newshubs also.
Would be nice to see some discussion about the problem itself. This shouldn't be topic where damage control has top priority.
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Posted - 2011.03.13 21:49:00 -
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Having HD feed from EVE fanfest 2011 - 350 million isk.
Having 5 alternative accounts for 3 months - 5.25 billion isk.
Moving 74 pilot licence extensions in a frigate - 22 billion isk (!).
Having forum PvP with Whitehound - priceless!
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Posted - 2011.03.14 08:44:00 -
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Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com: The Vadim Interview
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-the-vadim-interview/
Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com Exposed: CSM Candidates Respond
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-exposed-csm-candidates-respond/
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Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.14 18:45:00 -
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After reading the iskbank guys interview from evenews and comparing his statements to certain inviduals statements, could easily make hilarious conclusions that they are the same guy or at least running the same business ;)
...thank god I'm not running the ccp's "boot to the head"-division which handles the ban distribution :)
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:17:00 -
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Eve'o'addicts guide to forum rehab and creative time management.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.15 22:34:00 -
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Nothing more to see in here...
Please proceed to this thread for further discussion about rmt and botting.
Lock the topic as duplicate please.
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